Can anyone remember a line this big? It has to be at least 10 years for a spread to be in the 20s. Maybe a Dallas team in the 90s or 49ers in the 80s. Ive only been gambling for 10 years and I cant remember a spread this big.
Can anyone remember a line this big? It has to be at least 10 years for a spread to be in the 20s. Maybe a Dallas team in the 90s or 49ers in the 80s. Ive only been gambling for 10 years and I cant remember a spread this big.
Never seen a line this big. The books are getting tired of being hit hard by the Pats as they are 9-1 ATS this year and this line actually opened up around -17 and have been bought up to -22. And for a line to move 5 points, that is a striking jump.
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McNabb might not play. I have a lean on the Eagles here. Mainly that spread is insane, but the Pats are insane. Can anyone cover MOSS? There are only a couple guys that can. Woodson comes to mind. But that would have to take place in the Super Bowl, which is possible. Eagles do blitz a lot and if they are succesful that might help the Eagles cover the spread, however, Brady is so good that if you blitz and dont succeed the game will be over in a hurry. Just some random thoughts on an intriguing game.
I played with fire once and got burnt...and I learned my lesson. A few weeks ago I was convinced that Joe Gibbs and his 'skins would show up and at least make it 2-3 touchdown game, so I teased it up to 10 points and was getting 24.5. I felt relatively comfortable until 4 minutes into the first quarter and the "Belicheck F@*K you tour showed up" and the Skins got pounded. I wouldn't touch this game if the line was 30. If you lose with the eagles, you kick yourself in the *** for betting against possibly the best team ever, and if you lose with the pats, you kick yourself for betting against the largest spread in NFL history. it's a lose lose situation IMO
I played with fire once and got burnt...and I learned my lesson. A few weeks ago I was convinced that Joe Gibbs and his 'skins would show up and at least make it 2-3 touchdown game, so I teased it up to 10 points and was getting 24.5. I felt relatively comfortable until 4 minutes into the first quarter and the "Belicheck F@*K you tour showed up" and the Skins got pounded. I wouldn't touch this game if the line was 30. If you lose with the eagles, you kick yourself in the *** for betting against possibly the best team ever, and if you lose with the pats, you kick yourself for betting against the largest spread in NFL history. it's a lose lose situation IMO
well said on so many accounts. I love the quote, this is the Belicheck "FU Tour" - so true. Also liked the quote Ock of looking at the spread from both sides. I have a feeling this thread is going to be great as the week progresses. stuck up top. Thanks for the thread ott!
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The Pats are beating teams by an average of 25, they are an unbelievable team. I am from Philly and am a huge Eagles fan and think that even if Mcnabb plays in this game the Eagles have no shot of covering, you are right Belicheck is playing FU ball. The Eagles secondary is banged up, Dawkins is a great player but this will be only his 3rd game back, Quinton Michael is banged up and Constonine is out, plus I saw first hand what happened when they played Dallas. They cant cover Moss let alone Welker Stallworth and Watson, they also have a lowsy rush defense.
On a side note, Vegas has the Jets Pats game at 22 already as Belicheck will destroy Mangini for bringing up"Spygate"
Can anyone remember a line this big? It has to be at least 10 years for a spread to be in the 20s. Maybe a Dallas team in the 90s or 49ers in the 80s. Ive only been gambling for 10 years and I cant remember a spread this big.
The record is -23.5 I believe. 49ers. Dont remember who it was against.
I played with fire once and got burnt...and I learned my lesson. A few weeks ago I was convinced that Joe Gibbs and his 'skins would show up and at least make it 2-3 touchdown game, so I teased it up to 10 points and was getting 24.5. I felt relatively comfortable until 4 minutes into the first quarter and the "Belicheck F@*K you tour showed up" and the Skins got pounded. I wouldn't touch this game if the line was 30. If you lose with the eagles, you kick yourself in the *** for betting against possibly the best team ever, and if you lose with the pats, you kick yourself for betting against the largest spread in NFL history. it's a lose lose situation IMO
Somebody said on one thread last week "Was anyone dumb enough to take the Bills?" Yes - I was stupid enough to take the Bills. Thinking in Buffalo, 16 points, someone must be due to cover against the Patriots right? Well wrong. Ock, I am with you - I will no longer play with fire with this team. You said it so well, it's a lose lose situation.
Belichick is like the Emperor from Star Wars, Tom Brady is like Darth Vader, and Moss, Welker, Stallworth, Koppen and the rest of the team are Stormtoopers who follow their orders to perfection. They just don't beat you, they own you and the Belichick FU Tour destroys you like the Death Star. I wonder if Bellichick looks at the spreads every week and challenges his team to double or triple the number?
These guys are on a freaking world domination mission and want nothing less than to be the best football team that every existed.
There is an article on ESPN.com by Sal Paolantonio entitled "Pats-Eagles point spread largest ever not involving expansion team". Here it is:
PHILADELPHIA -- Just three seasons after being separated by just three points in Super Bowl XXXIX, the gap between the Patriots and Eagles has widened to historic proportions: Philly is a 23½-point underdog.
That is the largest point spread for an NFL game that does not involve an expansion team, according to odds-making experts in Las Vegas.
On Dec. 5, 1976, the expansion Tampa Bay Buccaneers were 24-point underdogs to the defending Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers covered easily, winning 42-0.
"Nowadays, you don't see too many spreads over 16 or 17 points," said Sean Van Patten, an oddsmaker at Sports Consultants in Las Vegas. "That's because most teams take their starters out in the fourth quarter of a lopsided game. The Patriots don't. I call this phenomenon The [Bill] Belichick Factor."
By continuing to pour it on the fourth quarter, Belichick is throwing Vegas out of whack. And making bookies run for cover.
It all started Sunday night after Belichick walked across the field at Ralph Wilson Stadium to shake hands with Buffalo Bills head coach **** Jauron, an awkward moment captured on national TV after the Patriots annihilated the Bills 56-10.
"The line for the Patriots-Eagles game was immediately set at 17 points -- and the big bettors, the sports syndicate guys, jumped on it, bet it hard," said Brandon Lang, whose life was depicted by Matthew McConaughey in the movie "Two for the Money" and is regarded as the nation's leading sports handicapper.
According to bookies and oddsmakers, all the big money took the Patriots and gave the points. Why? Because Belichick has been running up the score.
"So the spread jumped all the way to 22 in a matter of minutes," said Lang.
"You add the fact that Donovan McNabb is injured and you have the perfect storm," said a bookie in South Philadelphia who asked not to be identified.
McNabb has a swollen thumb on his right (throwing) hand and a sprained ankle. He did not finish the game on Sunday, when the Eagles beat the Miami Dolphins in Philadelphia. On Monday, head coach Andy Reid said his franchise quarterback is day-to-day.
"McNabb is worth four more points, in my opinion," said Van Patten. "Which means if he doesn't play Sunday, the spread in this game could set the record."
If the record is not set in this game, Van Patten said, don't be surprised if it is threatened in two of the Patriots' upcoming games -- against the New York Jets on Dec. 16 or the Dolphins on Dec. 23.
"The Jets game is the one to watch," said Van Patten. "The perception, at least, is that Belichick is running up the score because he's angry over Spygate. And he was caught by the Jets back in the first week of the season. It's gonna be payback time."
Pats win easy but don't cover. Belichik knows Reid just spent Thanksgiving with his sons in jail, i think he'll have respect for another coach going through that and not want to run it up on him unnecessarily.
I dont think having respect for another coach has anything to do with what goes on in the field. The Pats are on a mission right now. They are gonna play the full 60 minutes. He isnt gonna tell Brady to take it easy out there.
Somebody said on one thread last week "Was anyone dumb enough to take the Bills?" Yes - I was stupid enough to take the Bills. Thinking in Buffalo, 16 points, someone must be due to cover against the Patriots right? Well wrong. Ock, I am with you - I will no longer play with fire with this team. You said it so well, it's a lose lose situation.
Belichick is like the Emperor from Star Wars, Tom Brady is like Darth Vader, and Moss, Welker, Stallworth, Koppen and the rest of the team are Stormtoopers who follow their orders to perfection. They just don't beat you, they own you and the Belichick FU Tour destroys you like the Death Star. I wonder if Bellichick looks at the spreads every week and challenges his team to double or triple the number?
These guys are on a freaking world domination mission and want nothing less than to be the best football team that every existed.
There is an article on ESPN.com by Sal Paolantonio entitled "Pats-Eagles point spread largest ever not involving expansion team". Here it is:
PHILADELPHIA -- Just three seasons after being separated by just three points in Super Bowl XXXIX, the gap between the Patriots and Eagles has widened to historic proportions: Philly is a 23½-point underdog.
That is the largest point spread for an NFL game that does not involve an expansion team, according to odds-making experts in Las Vegas.
On Dec. 5, 1976, the expansion Tampa Bay Buccaneers were 24-point underdogs to the defending Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers covered easily, winning 42-0.
"Nowadays, you don't see too many spreads over 16 or 17 points," said Sean Van Patten, an oddsmaker at Sports Consultants in Las Vegas. "That's because most teams take their starters out in the fourth quarter of a lopsided game. The Patriots don't. I call this phenomenon The [Bill] Belichick Factor."
By continuing to pour it on the fourth quarter, Belichick is throwing Vegas out of whack. And making bookies run for cover.
It all started Sunday night after Belichick walked across the field at Ralph Wilson Stadium to shake hands with Buffalo Bills head coach **** Jauron, an awkward moment captured on national TV after the Patriots annihilated the Bills 56-10.
"The line for the Patriots-Eagles game was immediately set at 17 points -- and the big bettors, the sports syndicate guys, jumped on it, bet it hard," said Brandon Lang, whose life was depicted by Matthew McConaughey in the movie "Two for the Money" and is regarded as the nation's leading sports handicapper.
According to bookies and oddsmakers, all the big money took the Patriots and gave the points. Why? Because Belichick has been running up the score.
"So the spread jumped all the way to 22 in a matter of minutes," said Lang.
"You add the fact that Donovan McNabb is injured and you have the perfect storm," said a bookie in South Philadelphia who asked not to be identified.
McNabb has a swollen thumb on his right (throwing) hand and a sprained ankle. He did not finish the game on Sunday, when the Eagles beat the Miami Dolphins in Philadelphia. On Monday, head coach Andy Reid said his franchise quarterback is day-to-day.
"McNabb is worth four more points, in my opinion," said Van Patten. "Which means if he doesn't play Sunday, the spread in this game could set the record."
If the record is not set in this game, Van Patten said, don't be surprised if it is threatened in two of the Patriots' upcoming games -- against the New York Jets on Dec. 16 or the Dolphins on Dec. 23.
"The Jets game is the one to watch," said Van Patten. "The perception, at least, is that Belichick is running up the score because he's angry over Spygate. And he was caught by the Jets back in the first week of the season. It's gonna be payback time."
In this article it says the Patriots don't take their guys out in the 4th quarter. Is he even watching the games??? Rodney Harrison for 1 hasnt played a snap in the 4th quarter in like 3 out of the last 4 games. Brady was out in the 3rd quarter last sunday. It just doesnt seem like they are because when they do come out the other team is so demoralized that the Pats backups run all over them also.
Patriots will cover -22 easily, Belichick has little respsect for any team and will run up the score just like he did against the bills, leaving Brady and other starters in the whole game to hammer the Eagles for 50+ points just like last Sunday up in Buffalo.
with Brady's comment today saying "We want to kill people", i find it hard to believe that taking it easy on the eagles is anywhere to be found in the playbook. as far as reid and his delinquent sons go, i find it even harder to believe that belicheck cares one bit.
Pats win easy but don't cover. Belichik knows Reid just spent Thanksgiving with his sons in jail, i think he'll have respect for another coach going through that and not want to run it up on him unnecessarily.
The Eagles were one of the biggest $hit talkers when the whole spygate came out. Mr Chunky soup himself was questioning whether or not the Pats cheated when they beat Philly in the Super Bowl. Mark my words, the Patriots win by AT LEAST 30. Stallworth also has it out for the Eagles, so count him for 2 touchdowns.
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I think this is the highest spread ever for an NFL game. They can make it 30 and they still will cover this year. They are sick and I hate them for it. I have a friend in Boston who knows alot of bookies and they had to quit becasue they lost too much money over the last 10 weeks.
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